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Post by perfectlypink on Nov 8, 2010 2:56:13 GMT -5
That's the only thing I could think to the name the thread - blunt as can be. I'd just like to get something off of my chest. Ever since Joe Jonas and Ashley Greene came out as a couple, I've seen so much unjustified hate for Ashley Greene. Honestly, as somebody that adores Ashley, it's unsettling. I'm not saying directly that it's only Lovato supporters that are doing it - Joe's are, too - but it's who I'm seeing it come from most and the hate only sprung up as soon as Ashley and Joe were photographed out together and all hope for Joe/Demi was thrown out the window. There are a seemingly never-ending supply of blogs on Tumblr dedicated to posting hateful things about Ashley. I'm always seeing posts filling my dashboard about how Joe needs to leave her for many irrelevant reasons. After seeing things like that, I sit here and I wonder to myself, what kind of fans are these people? If you were truthfully a Joe fan, wouldn't you be happy for him? I mean, to me, he looks happier than he has in months. He's always smiling and he's always giving off a good vibe. As a fan, I'm happy for him. I love that he's happy and I love that he's found somebody he truly seems to care for. Shouldn't that be what's important? Because of some ~jealously these supposed fans have... people are finding pitiful, pathetic reasons to pick Ashley a part. I saw a post the other day with a picture of her with a drink in her hand. It was a personal photo, taken long before she'd met Joe, and she was simply having a good time with her friends. It had been posted with text that read somewhere along the lines of Joe needing to dump her because she wasn't the innocent angel he thought she was. She's over the legal drinking age and has been for a very long time. I don't see how that is even relevant to him dating her, at all. If you don't like Ashley, why waste your time dedicating a blog to posting mean and nasty things at her? If you don't like somebody, don't waste your time on them. It's simple, at least it should be.
Thoughts?
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Post by Kat on Nov 8, 2010 6:14:13 GMT -5
I personally dispise the way people use the internet to attack people.
Personally I liked Ashley in Twilight and don't really know anything about her beyond that.
I've observed quite a bit of hate for her in running Portrait Magazine. When we asked readers for nominations in our beauty list, we had a large number of people write in specifically to ask us not to include her (citing reasons like her nude picture leaks). This was before she started dating Joe.
While I personally view taking those kind of images as a big mistake, I feel really sorry for her that everyone’s turned on her so strongly. I know how upsetting I find abusive message sent to me regarding Portrait and none of those are personal, where as her attacks are.
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Post by onlymystory on Nov 8, 2010 13:49:12 GMT -5
I guess I will say I'm half and half. Personally, I don't care for Ashley insofar as the person she's presented herself to be. I know its true that we really don't know who a celebrity is as a person and that's true but at the same time we all choose how to present ourselves. There are celebrities who come across as very charitable and compassionate and those who seem a little too full of themselves. Most of the interviews that I have seen with Ashley she comes across as a girl who is very cocky, has a superior attitude and doesn't care too much for others outside of her little world. Maybe she is different but its hard to tell from the way she talks and acts in her public life. So I can't say I'm a fan.
However, I don't think there is ever a call to attack someone and especially not because of who they date. I'm sorry to all the Joe Jonas fans but even if he dated the perfect girl (and I'm pretty sure he's dumped a few pretty awesome ones) there's still a million other girls he won't be dating. You don't have to like someone and you can even criticize. But attacking someone because of dating choices, or just plain attacking is totally wrong.
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Post by perfectlypink on Nov 8, 2010 14:28:13 GMT -5
I personally dispise the way people use the internet to attack people. Personally I liked Ashley in Twilight and don't really know anything about her beyond that. I've observed quite a bit of hate for her in running Portrait Magazine. When we asked readers for nominations in our beauty list, we had a large number of people write in specifically to ask us not to include her (citing reasons like her nude picture leaks). This was before she started dating Joe. While I personally view taking those kind of images as a big mistake, I feel really sorry for her that everyone’s turned on her so strongly. I know how upsetting I find abusive message sent to me regarding Portrait and none of those are personal, where as her attacks are. I haven't seen anybody hate on her because of the photos, despite recently when people were using them as just another reason why Joe Jonas shouldn't date her. Even when they first leaked, I was seeing more praise for the nude-leak than anything else. I think that's really crude for people to ask you not to include her in a beauty list because of a naked photo leak. She's still beautiful, very much so! The internet has become such a rude place. I don't even understand the spines some people have to do things and say things over the internet that they'd never have the guts to go about doing in real life or to your face. I guess I will say I'm half and half. Personally, I don't care for Ashley insofar as the person she's presented herself to be. I know its true that we really don't know who a celebrity is as a person and that's true but at the same time we all choose how to present ourselves. There are celebrities who come across as very charitable and compassionate and those who seem a little too full of themselves. Most of the interviews that I have seen with Ashley she comes across as a girl who is very cocky, has a superior attitude and doesn't care too much for others outside of her little world. Maybe she is different but its hard to tell from the way she talks and acts in her public life. So I can't say I'm a fan. However, I don't think there is ever a call to attack someone and especially not because of who they date. I'm sorry to all the Joe Jonas fans but even if he dated the perfect girl (and I'm pretty sure he's dumped a few pretty awesome ones) there's still a million other girls he won't be dating. You don't have to like someone and you can even criticize. But attacking someone because of dating choices, or just plain attacking is totally wrong. It's really weird to me that you say that!  She comes off so different to me... I find her genuinely sweet. To each their own. I guess we all perceive people differently. More or less, I respect your opinion because you have legitimate reasoning behind it. It's nice to see people that don't really care for her that actually have a reason their dislike is built off of that goes beyond her dating Joe Jonas. Now that I think about it, though, you did hit on something. Joe fans are the worst when it comes to his personal/dating life in general. Swift/Jonas fans are still holding grudges against Camilla Belle and all of that happened what seems like forever ago. |
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Post by onlymystory on Nov 8, 2010 15:54:28 GMT -5
Well to be fair on the beauty list, it was for beauty inside and out. And a lot of comments were not just about those nude photos but also stated that they felt because Ashley really isn't involved in charities and such, she didn't seem to fit on the list.
But it is true that we all perceive people in different ways. My dislike is definitely not for who she dates.
Although I was thinking about it and I guess there is a possible defense for fans criticizing who a celebrity dates. Never a defense for attacking but I could see a point where if an actor or artist has made a point to carry themselves in a certain way and put out a specific image to fans, and then they date someone with a very different image, fans could be kind of confused. it doesn't excuse attacking the other person but I could kind of understand. Like in this case, the Jonas brothers have always emphasized faith, solid morals, and being a pretty clean band. (Personally, I think of the 3 Joe drifts the most but that's just me). Anyway, if you have as a band emphasized that mindset and then suddenly he's dating a girl who hasn't ever professed to be religious and obviously isn't so clean since she's okay with nude photos and such, I could get why fans would be like whoa, you two present two different images to the world, this doesn't make sense. But again, no matter what, attacking seems a little pointless.
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Post by Kat on Nov 8, 2010 18:01:30 GMT -5
Kind of going off topic here but I've always hated the way with TV triangles, when people choose the couple they're going to ship, they tend to totally turn on the other option.
Like on Veronica Mars, I shipped Logan and Veronica but I still really liked Duncan as a character. Yet it seems throughout the fanbase that all the other shippers would just attack him and in the fan fiction world he was always painted as abusive or worse. I've seen a similar pattern in numerous other show fanbases.
I think it sucks. It's one thing being passionate about a certain romantic pairing but it doesn't mean you automatically have to hate the other person in a triangle...
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Post by onlymystory on Nov 8, 2010 18:10:53 GMT -5
Ugh, like how people bash on Stefan just because they like Damon more. I never got into the fan world of Veronica Mars but I do remember not being a big fan of Duncan's just because I always thought he should have been more of a man. I never would have dissed on him though.
Love triangles sometimes bring out the best in characters and the worst in fans.
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Post by Kat on Nov 8, 2010 23:16:24 GMT -5
Ugh, like how people bash on Stefan just because they like Damon more. I never got into the fan world of Veronica Mars but I do remember not being a big fan of Duncan's just because I always thought he should have been more of a man. I never would have dissed on him though. Love triangles sometimes bring out the best in characters and the worst in fans. Yeah, it's the exact same thing with Vampire Diaries. I also remember it bugging me on Gilmore Girls. Dean was always hated on while either Jess or Dean was worshipped. (It always tends to be in favor of the bad boy too.) |
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Post by appu on Nov 10, 2010 16:04:04 GMT -5
Well, theyr just normal people. And normal people should be allowed to date whoever they want to. Its only upto their close friends and family to approve of their relationship no one else. I dislike both of them  But Im citing an honest opinion without bashin either of them  |
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Post by judybarazi on Dec 18, 2010 13:18:29 GMT -5
Joe Jonas dated....Oh,who am I kidding? it'll take me forever to count!,
so,I don't know if ashley is any different than any other girl on his long list of ex-girlfriends,but que sera,sera
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She comes off so different to me... I find her genuinely sweet. To each their own. I guess we all perceive people differently. More or less, I respect your opinion because you have legitimate reasoning behind it. It's nice to see people that don't really care for her that actually have a reason their dislike is built off of that goes beyond her dating Joe Jonas. 
