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Post by onlymystory on May 8, 2010 2:44:27 GMT -5
So interesting how things have changed on Vampire Diaries. I don't really even know where to start to catch up but I guess we did learn a couple things about the change. Apparently Stefan was compelled when drinking Katherine's blood (which would make sense since he doesn't love Katherine anymore) and I was right that Damon was totally on board. I did like how the show had Damon not want to drink human blood but Stefan made him. I know there was the emphasis on how Stefan changed once he drank human blood but I felt like there was a more subtle indication that even after drinking the blood, that Damon didn't change. Like it was talked about how vampires on human blood can turn off their emotions. I got the sense that Damon was still the same person (an outsider) even on human blood, he just learned to use it to turn off his feelings. Whereas Stefan becomes a completely different person on human blood and there's really no control. I love Anna (Malese) and I want her around for the 2nd season. But I'm really afraid that Jeremy is going to kill her and that would just make me so angry. Speaking of Jeremy, he really needs to lay off Elena. I understand being upset with her but after reading her entire journal, he should be a little more understanding. Clearly he's caught up on this season of the Vampire Diaries so its time to chill out a bit. I think I have 2 favorite things about the Vampire Diaries. 1) I like Damon's relationships with people. Even though Sheriff Forbes has no idea about Damon's true nature, he still treats her with respect. He doesn't try to overly protect Elena and treats her like an adult and he has a grudging respect for Alaric too. Even though Damon doesn't have friends, he either kills people or works with them and I really like that. 2) The whole development of Damon/Elena/Stefan has really impressed me. Anyone who has read the books/has half a brain knows that the Elena/Damon subject will be opened up. I feel like the show has done really well on that front. They haven't rushed it (and really it has to happen in the 2nd season because you don't push things too far out because you never know how many seasons you're getting) and yet it hasn't felt overly long in coming either. Plus I appreciate that even though I want to see a Damon/Elena relationship, I still love Stefan/Elena together and that is a tribute to the cast as well as the writers. And not to gush over Damon to much but I really liked a twitter from producer Julie Plec about Damon shirtless. (Well, technically she RT'd a twitter during the tv to tweet about promotion). "Dear whomever, please do not interrupt Damon taking his pants off. Thanks." Haha, so funny (and so true). Ok, enough Damon. Basically, I'm definitely still loving this show and can't believe the finale is next week! Oh and final though, I love Bonnie. She was so intense when she gave Stefan that migraine. And I knew she lied about removing the spell. Obviously none of them could know if she removed it but I also think Elena & Stefan are stupid to think Bonnie is over Damon trying to kill her and then her Grams dying just for one mean vampire that ultimately led to 27 getting out and killing other innocent people. I guess I am back to Damon because he seems to be the only one who gets that people don't just get over stuff like that. Katerina Graham does an excellent job of portraying Bonnie's pain, anger, and guilt all in one.
Who else is keeping up on the show?
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Post by amandajoyce on May 11, 2010 9:00:01 GMT -5
Okay, so I missed one episode (not the last one, I think the third one back?), but I'm pretty much caught up. And I wanted to reply to a few of the things you said.
I love Anna. I think Malese Jow has done a good job with the character, but I don't think she'll be around in season two. I don't know if I agree with your idea that Jeremy will be the one to kill her, but I do think she's not going to be alive come next season. Jeremy doesn't have good luck when it comes to girls, and I think I remember reading that Anna wasn't going to be an exception to that. I just think it would be really dumb on his part to be completely anti-vampire after reading the journal and talking to his uncle. I can see it happening, especially since Elena is vampire friendly, and they aren't really on good terms right now. I have a feeling that will play into his decisions a lot because he doesn't trust her.
I find Damon to be one of the most interesting characters ever. His blaming Steffan for the way he is, his betrayal from Katherine, his feelings for Elena. It's all fascinating to me. And I agree about him choosing to turn off his humanity. Because I think you're right. He's still the same person after being changed, still feeling like an outsider. And, he's been hurt over and over, so I can't imagine he would want to feel any of that. The Damon/Elena dynamic is also a lot more interesting than Steffan/Elena to me. I think it's because Steffan is just too good. Other than when he's drinking human blood, he's just so focused, and so intent on being normal, and never allows himself to make any mistakes. I just find him irritating some times. Other times I really like him. I can't decide.
But, I'm not liking Bonnie much right now. Actually, I should rephrase that. I like the character. And I love the actress. Katerina Graham is awesome. What I don't like is how the writers have been using her. Other than her being a witch, she's got very little character develooment. We don't get to see her unless Elena needs her to do something, and I don't that's fair to her. As an audience, we have no idea how she's coping with her grandmother's death or Damon trying to kill her, outside of her deciding that the vampires need to be stopped. And really, who can blame her for that? I just wish she got more development as a normal teenager instead of as the witch. It's not fair to Katerina.
That's all I've got for now. I'm sure I'll have more after the finale this week.
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Post by onlymystory on May 11, 2010 17:56:09 GMT -5
I definitely have to agree with the frustration over Bonnie not being used. I'm hoping that Bonnie will be much more prominent in the 2nd season because Katerina Graham is wonderful. And I'd like a little more development of the Bonnie/Caroline friendship. I know a lot of people don't like Caroline but I love her and I think if viewers paid closer attention, they'd see that Caroline is probably one of the most rounded female characters on the show at this point. Just because Miss Mystic Falls is important to her doesn't make her an airhead. Anyway, I could rant about the injustices towards Caroline for a while. I just definitely think the 2nd season needs to develop Elena's other relationships and those other characters more. No matter how much we all love the main cast, the supporting one is secondary too.
On the Jeremy one, its not my prediction or hope that he kills Anna. I can just see it going that direction because of his anger right now. And if it went that way, I could see it being that Anna finds out John killed her mom, Anna kills John & takes his ring and Jeremy kind of goes a little crazy against the vampires and kills Anna. I don't want it to go that way (except the dead John part) but I could see it happening.
And what you mention about not being able to decide about Stefan is I think why I really love the show. I know I love Damon. He's fascinating (so much more so than the books). But Stefan is one minute too self-righteous and the next minute I love him. And it really impresses me that the writers and Paul Wesley have been able to do that with the character and give viewers a guy who is too much of an enigma to create a final opinion on.
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Post by amandajoyce on May 12, 2010 9:07:00 GMT -5
I love Caroline too. I find her to be a very realistic portrayal of an insecure teenage girl. She's someone who's used to being popular, who wants to get the attention that her best friend gets, and I don't understand why people dislike her so much. She can be overbearing and self absorbed sometimes, but I think it's easy to see why she acts the way she does. For a secondary character, she's been fleshed out really well so far.
And I agree that if Anna finds out about John and goes after him, Jeremy will probably be the one to take her down. I just hope it doesn't go that way because I feel like Jeremy's just going to be "the depressed kid" if the writers keep making bad things happen to him. He needs a few bright spots. And Anna is one. But yes, I'd very much like John gone. Sooner rather than later.
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Post by onlymystory on May 14, 2010 0:04:50 GMT -5
Um, so having watched the season finale (and I'll wait until tomorrow to post my thoughts for anyone who hasn't quite caught up yet) I'm pretty sure my jaw was on the floor for most of that episode. Not to mention some definite crying.
And I think I'm with everyone else when I say that there were pretty much 3 standard responses to the season finale. Stuttering, omg, or wtf. Because that was insane, intense and everything a season finale should be.
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Post by Kat on May 14, 2010 7:03:01 GMT -5
I don't know, I think I was a little disappointed.
I mean I figured about Kyle (is that his name? Bad with names) since they first mentioned that twist was coming up and the big Vampire's rising up and being slayed was a little anti climatic.
But yes. It was tear jerkery (I am trying not to be spoilery here but I'm hopeless). I didn't want that death.
What's the mortality recap right now? At least two people currently fighting (or not so fighting) for life and another character in potential mortal danger? How far away is September again? lol.
I liked seeing a little more humanity from Damon. Still can't decide if I like him or am just amused/entertained by him. But then Spike on Buffy is my favorite vampire ever (so far) so I'm know I have the capacity to love someone with a real evil streak.
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Post by amandajoyce on May 14, 2010 10:10:02 GMT -5
The vampires rising up was a little anticlimactic, but, I'll make allowances for that only because there was so much other stuff going on.
I think it was excellent as a finale as a whole though. It will definitely get people to come back next season with so many storylines left wide open like that. I want to know what happens now!
Katerina Graham said in a recent interview that there were definitely going to be two major deaths in the finale, but I didn't count that. I thought they left the more open ended, so... not sure on that.
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Post by onlymystory on May 14, 2010 14:35:41 GMT -5
SPOILERS I figure we're good now since all airings are done US wise but just in case. I believe the mortality recap is at 2 for sure and 3 possibilities. Anna: Dead. That made me cry. I was so wanting Anna around a little longer even as I knew deep down I wouldn't get it. I'm hoping maybe there will be some like crazy flashback or dream sequences that will at least give Malese a little guest star time. That one really made me sad especially since Anna had so lost so much. She used Jeremy yeah, but then she started falling for him and he was more concerned about himself. I felt like she was getting her heart broken right and left and it was just horrible. And then that John staked her! (On the one hand, he really should have staked them all but on the other, mean!) Mayor Lockwood: Dead. I'm thinking he's the one that is the other major death. He's been a part of the show from the beginning and he saw Damon down there. So he can't say anything now and Damon is still safe but it also sets up some crazy new stuff with the werewolves for next season. Caroline: In critical danger. So we just know Caroline collapsed and is in danger in the hospital. I'm really curious as to whether she was injured because of the accident or if its something else. John Gilbert: If he's not dead, its a miracle. I'm willing to bet that John is dying at the start of season 2 but I do think he will ultimately die. Now that Katharine is back, Damon doesn't need to deal with John too. Jeremy: Attempted Suicide. I honestly think Jeremy will live. I think there's so much else going on that Jeremy will be saved and forced to start dealing with his douchiness and stop being a little twerp. If he turns, I think his storyline would be suffer with all the other plots. So, 2 dead, 3 possible. I actually agree that the vampires rising was kind of anticlimatic but at the same time it closed up the storyline. I think it was the easiest way to say okay, they're attacking and the founders council are up for defense so we have our little mini-battle and it closes a chapter. Plus I love that the humans beat the vampires. Because vampires really can be defeated and stuff like Twilight makes it seem like a human never has a chance. And within the cover of a big crazy scene, we get the development of our little storylines. Ok, so there's not a Kyle, so I don't know who you mean? Jeremy's attempting to turn or Tyler's being a werewolf? If you mean Tyler, I think yeah most people shouldn't have been surprised by the werewolf thing. They did hint at it earlier with the moon and his rage issues. I have the feeling it was reintroduced here because Tyler is going to be a much bigger part of next season. I'm actually curious to see if on that one, we get Matt & Caroline (who will live by my willpower alone ) helping Tyler so that you've got all these teens knowing about supernatural stuff but neither knowing about the other. I actually was surprised by the vampire weapon affecting them just because it never registered that way. Talk about cool. Now to the main 3 & Bonnie. I include Bonnie because her character was much better entwined this episode. Stefan is easy. He bugged me. Like, I normally like Stefan. Sure he's angsty and borderline Jeremy's twin but I still like Stefan. This episode the jealousy was ridiculous. (realistic, just annoying). Plus it kind of pointed out how cocky Stefan is. Like he was never jealous of Matt and Elena. So somewhere, Stefan assumes that as a vampire he's better than a human despite his humility attitude. But when its another vampire (and his brother) he's all kinds of jealous. And he should be more trusting of Elena. Bonnie was wonderful. I really loved that she's trying to still be friends with Elena but is struggling with the vampires. And I really enjoyed the development of Damon's apology being a turning point in Bonnie choosing to later help him & Stefan. Damon made a good point that Bonnie saved him because of Elena which meant that at some point Elena decided he was worth saving. But I think most of all I appreciated that Bonnie's softness in that one area didn't make her change her mind about vampires or Damon. I have the feeling there's going to be trouble on that front. To be honest, I really don't even know where to start with Damon/Elena. I do think that Damon still hadn't quite realized that he loved Elena until he saw Anna die. I think Damon realized he cares about Elena but he was still snarky Damon. Then he actually cared about Anna & realized that somehow, somewhere, Elena brought his humanity back. I think that's why Stefan's jealousy bugged me so much, it was too easy to tell that those emotions hadn't quite clicked for Damon. I was at the gym watching it so I stopped myself before throwing something when Elena kissed Damon. (thank heavens it was Katharine!) I was totally confusing myself too because half the time I was going do, it Damon! Kiss her! And the other half thinking no, Elena you're better than this! So talk about relieved and completely shocked with the revelation that it was Katharine! Which after rewatching the episode, if you pause on the kiss right before Jenna interrupts, Katharine's eyes start to change. All in all, it was everything a season finale for a show that's been renewed should be. Wrapped up some storylines, pushed others into the main action and left us with great cliffhangers. I just can't believe I have to wait until September! Plus it wasn't just a good CW finale, it was a great finale for any network. And amazingly acted. Ian Somerhalder had me in tears several times. Just brilliant.
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Post by onlymystory on May 14, 2010 15:13:05 GMT -5
Seeing as The Ausiello Files on ew.com have Anna & John as the 2 confirmed fatalities (that he knew about before any of us did) I'm going with John is solidly dead. So 3 fatalities in this season finale.
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Post by Kat on May 14, 2010 17:00:39 GMT -5
Ok, so there's not a Kyle, so I don't know who you mean? Jeremy's attempting to turn or Tyler's being a werewolf? If you mean Tyler, I think yeah most people shouldn't have been surprised by the werewolf thing. They did hint at it earlier with the moon and his rage issues. I have the feeling it was reintroduced here because Tyler is going to be a much bigger part of next season. I'm actually curious to see if on that one, we get Matt & Caroline (who will live by my willpower alone ) helping Tyler so that you've got all these teens knowing about supernatural stuff but neither knowing about the other. I actually was surprised by the vampire weapon affecting them just because it never registered that way. Talk about cool. Tyler is who I meant. lol. Come on, the names are similar. lol
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Post by onlymystory on May 14, 2010 18:20:21 GMT -5
Hehe, yep, they do both have a yle in 'em! haha. I just figured the whole obviously predictable had to mean either Jeremy or Tyler.
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Post by Kat on May 15, 2010 3:42:53 GMT -5
I'm hopeless with the names on this show. I even got Stefan and Damon mixed up at first. Technically they have the same suffix (soundwise anyway).
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Post by onlymystory on May 16, 2010 21:07:29 GMT -5
I gotta say that even though Tyler's kind of a jerk on the show (understandably but still) Michael Trevino is a pretty cool guy. I tend to be partial to the cast members who twitter and interact with fans and he's one of those. I do find it interesting that Paul Wesley, as one of the "nice" characters isn't much into fan interaction.
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Post by Kat on May 21, 2010 5:56:58 GMT -5
Season 2 synopsis. Made me smile (for obvious reasons)
THE VAMPIRE DIARIES: Next season, the appearance of the villainous Katherine in Mystic Falls throws a wrench into the love triangle between Stefan, Elena and Damon, and the other residents of Mystic Falls must choose sides as they fall victim to a new breed of danger. New and unexpected friendships will be forged, allies will become enemies, and hearts will be broken. Stefan and Damon will be forced to face a villain more evil and diabolical than they ever believed possible. And they’ll take their shirts off. Frequently.
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Post by onlymystory on May 21, 2010 13:10:30 GMT -5
hehe, I love that. Take their shirts off frequently.
It wasn't much of a hiatus for Vampire Diaries either. Back to work on Monday according to Kevin Williamson.
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Post by onlymystory on Jul 14, 2010 1:58:19 GMT -5
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Post by onlymystory on Jul 29, 2010 6:26:44 GMT -5
So after the comic con preview (I'm amazed someone actually managed to get that good of a preview. For those who saw it and don't know comic con, there's tons of people watching to make sure no one films the preview clips. So to actually get most of the clip, even at a bad angle was amazing), I had to start watching the show again. I was actually kind of horrible because I downloaded the episodes (I will buy the season in August so I'm not totally evil). But I downloaded them starting with the finale and watching each one backwards. And now I'm watching them through the right way again starting with the pilot. hehe. So anyway, having rewatched, I have some new thoughts and questions. Plus I looked back through this thread. I know I initially had a concern about Elena's character being kind of Bella like in the whole quiet loner girl. I have to say now that not only is she completely unlike Bella, I also much prefer the changes to the tv Elena. It makes her actually different from Katharine even more. Also, having rewatched "Lost Girls" (Episode 6) & Episode 7, I found it incredibly refreshing & real that Elena was genuinely scared and freaked out. Bella always bugged me for just being like cool, vampires. I like how Elena is brave when she has to be but freaks out when she can. & I like how the next episode Elena is like okay I'm still scared but I have to move on and accept that my world has changed. Crawling in a hole & being afraid changes nothing. Also, Nina Dobrev continues to blow me away. Random note is that I like how when the scenes are with humans, its lighter. In general the show isn't a horrible abundance of shadows but I appreciate how they remember that humans still live in a world with sunlight. I had commented on how the girls (Kayla Ewell, Nina Dobrev, Candice Accola, & Sara Canning) seemed to have a celebrity complex by getting into trouble with the police at the beginning of the show. I find it funny to realize that it was just them pulling over on a bridge to take a couple pictures. & it was tyler shields taking the photo so no wonder they got in trouble. haha But the biggest change for me has been liking Stefan even more. I used to like Stefan/(Paul's portrayal) just fine but he paled in comparison to my love of Damon (as is the case with most fans of the show). Having rewatched the season, Stefan is now just barely below Damon. (I mean c'mon, its Damon!) Anyway, as I observe, I've noticed that while there's this assumption/joke that Stefan is always tortured & brooding, in reality he's really not. For one, he's completely assured of himself. Damon has no idea who he is outside of his obsession with Katharine. But Stefan, while he did the human thing for a while, eventually made a choice not to be evil and has moved on. Two, he's really not that brooding. Damon broods way more often. Stefan just struggles from time to time. Three, Stefan has purpose. Or finds it. I mean when someone threatens those he cares about, Stefan is all hardcore action. And in the finale, I said I thought Stefan's jealousy was a bit overboard. Rethinking it, I've changed my mind. The jealousy made sense. After all, Stefan had a few days of wigging out on human blood. & in that time, Elena pretty much went to fully trusting Damon (at least from his perspective) and distrusting Stefan (also from his perspective). Even though Elena loves Stefan, she cares about Damon too while still knowing about all of the horrible things he's done. Obviously most vampire stories mean some humans have to get over the hundreds of years of killing and deal with the time they've known those particular vampires. But I totally get how Stefan would be jealous and think Elena could fall for Damon. Overall, it just makes me that much more impressed with Paul Wesley.
So a couple questions for ya'll. 1) Anyone else been rewatching episodes and had new thoughts? 2) How about that preview trailer? Exciting! 3) Personally, I think that Katharine is back for Stefan not because she loves him more (or loves Damon either) but because Stefan is the one who has moved on. Damon hasn't fully gotten over her but Stefan has and I don't think Katharine can stand that. Agree? No? 4) Seriously, could September take any longer?
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Post by Kat on Jul 30, 2010 2:59:10 GMT -5
But the biggest change for me has been liking Stefan even more. I used to like Stefan/(Paul's portrayal) just fine but he paled in comparison to my love of Damon (as is the case with most fans of the show). Having rewatched the season, Stefan is now just barely below Damon. (I mean c'mon, its Damon!) Anyway, as I observe, I've noticed that while there's this assumption/joke that Stefan is always tortured & brooding, in reality he's really not. For one, he's completely assured of himself. Damon has no idea who he is outside of his obsession with Katharine. But Stefan, while he did the human thing for a while, eventually made a choice not to be evil and has moved on. Two, he's really not that brooding. Damon broods way more often. Stefan just struggles from time to time. Three, Stefan has purpose. Or finds it. I mean when someone threatens those he cares about, Stefan is all hardcore action. Yay for a nice comment on Stefan. I mean, sure he doesn't get the good lines like Damon but he's cool too. Everyone always seems to be hating on him. I get frustrated sometimes how the nice guys (not that he's strictly nice...) are pretty much always ignored for the bad boy. Can't we girls break our cliche molds just on occasion?
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Post by onlymystory on Jul 30, 2010 3:37:13 GMT -5
Well that's the odd thing about rewatching it. I think most of us girls don't really want the bad boy, we want the reformed (or reformable) bad boy. I mean criminals aren't exactly getting dates. We want the bad boy with a heart of gold. But as I watch it over again, the real reformed bad boy is Stefan. He's tough, protective and seriously hard core. But when he has to be. Damon on the other hand is selfish. Even the change of heart towards the end of the season is, at the end of the day, a selfish move designed to attract Elena (first her trust/friendship & now more romantically inclined). So as I look again, I see that the true 'cliche' if you will, is Stefan. Damon is just fun & snarky.
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Post by angela23lee87 on Jul 31, 2010 1:09:52 GMT -5
LoL. Funnily enough, the next TVHolics column is on reformed bad boys! I haven't had a chance to go back and rewatch episodes yet but the more interviews I see and read, it does make me rethink things differently. I too, definitely have a new appreciation for Stefan and the way Paul chose to portray him. Definitely right on the money about Katharine - think of her like the spoiled princess who always get what she wants and then when she doesn't, she channels all her energy into getting it. I LOVE the s2 clip! I keep rewatching it! s2 cannot come soon enough!
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Post by onlymystory on Jul 31, 2010 1:24:10 GMT -5
Haha that's awesome. (Any chance one of our tvd boys is on it? Because while one is only temporarily/selfishly reformed, still both are reforming at the moment. And they're so hot.)
I think it was way too easy for me in the beginning to put Stefan in the Edward/Angel I'm so brooding, tortured and miserable camp that I didn't give him a fair shake. And that tattoo on his shoulder is so frickin hot.
I've been reading televisionwithoutpity.com's recaps on the show and Cindi (who writes them) is hysterical. She'll be like 'we open on a scene of Stefan in a tank and Damon shirtless...I'm just going to pause there while we all black out for a moment, err hour. Ok, everyone good?) hehe. Most of TWOP's recappers are touch and go. They get a little too bitter & cynical but this one seems to still enjoy her shows. Plus TVD is awesome. But she commented on how Logan Fell acts like he's doing a not so good Spike impression when he's turned and I rewatched it-so true! Although no one beats Spike for awesomeness. Not even Stefan or Damon (yet).
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Post by onlymystory on Jul 31, 2010 3:18:48 GMT -5
Just watched the new promo. I think the only new thing in it was Caroline & Bonnie sitting at a table and Caroline says "Elena's getting laid". If that was in an episode remind me because I don't remember it. But I do think that even repeat promos can be telling as far as what an upcoming season holds. Obviously the Damon/O'Damn preview was just for all the Damon lovers. But this one seemed to indicate that Katharine will be a focus (and Damon will continue to be). Obviously Katharine will matter to the story but sometimes it could mean influence events rather than get equal camera time. (I wonder if Nina gets paid twice. haha that would be nice) And it seemed to say that we'll be getting back to the danger. It was almost too comfortable at the end of the season for the main 3. Like okay, we're on the same team (plus Alaric) so all is good. I like the idea of some tension brought back in there. Plus without tension I can't be on board when Elena really does start liking Damon.
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Post by Kat on Aug 20, 2010 1:45:20 GMT -5
New promo. A little weirded out by the fact that the first character on TV (I watch) in ages with my name is so blinkin' evil. lol.
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Post by onlymystory on Aug 20, 2010 17:32:44 GMT -5
Also kinda slutty. hehe
I love this promo and I have to give so much props to Nina Dobrev. I feel like I'm watching two different actresses. She seems to really understand that the key is in the little differences. The way she stands or moves are completely different from Katherine to Elena. It's nice to see an actress care that much. September can not come fast enough.
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Post by Kat on Aug 21, 2010 0:35:11 GMT -5
Hehe. Yeah. Other then the name we have the same hair color and that's about the only thing I have in common with her.
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Post by onlymystory on Aug 21, 2010 3:17:41 GMT -5
You mean you don't get to make out with Ian Somerhalder and Paul Wesley on a regular basis?
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Post by Kat on Aug 21, 2010 21:10:40 GMT -5
Oh, you're right. I do that all the time. So that makes three.
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Post by Kat on Sept 9, 2010 6:14:48 GMT -5
New webclip:
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Post by Kat on Sept 10, 2010 1:08:09 GMT -5
Spoilers for the new ep!!!
Oh Damon, Killing a girl's kid brother will never be the way to her heart.
Was anyone else a little weirded out by how sweet Caroline was when she first woke up?
I really like that Stefan so quickly figured out that it was Katherine the first time he encountered her.
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Post by onlymystory on Sept 12, 2010 4:43:58 GMT -5
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