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Re: My opinion on "Slutty At Sixteen" « Reply #30 on Nov 2, 2009, 9:29pm »
Yeah, exactly. It is a bit sexist, but to me, using Taylor as the example didn't make sense. Normally, I would have agreed with their point, because I do think girls tend to get targeted for acting slutty as opposed to guys, but I didn't agree with their reasoning. Miley's going out of her way to act sexy and older than she is, Taylor isn't. To me, it isn't just about the skin, it's about the behavior that goes with it.
Re: My opinion on "Slutty At Sixteen" « Reply #31 on Nov 2, 2009, 10:39pm »
I will agree that there's a double standard on what guys are allowed to wear (or not wear) in general. But Taylor is a poor example. Most of those shirtless pictures are movie stills, to be honest, shirtless pictures in photoshoots seem to be a minority occurence for him. And he has made it clear that while he's happy to fulfill the role of Jacob also being hot, he doesn't like girls objectifying him either. I think Miley (and Taylor Momsen) are girls who are behaving and purposefully dressing slutty. Like for example. If a guy goes running shirtless or is on the beach shirtless, that's just normal and I wouldn't have a problem. Same for a girl on the beach in a bikini or running in a sports bra. Now running in a bikini with your shirt half hanging off...that I have a problem with. Because its clearly for the sake of attention, not practicality or comfort.
Re: My opinion on "Slutty At Sixteen" « Reply #32 on Nov 2, 2009, 10:43pm »
Can I just ask, exactly WHAT is Miley's little sister dressing up as for Halloween? A hooker? A vampire prostitute? The cape is okay, the makeup washes her face out, but the boots and the dress? Not appropriate for a 4th grader. I thought 9-year-olds were supposed to be things like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz or witches or cats or non slutty vampires at the most. I went trick-or-treating with my friend and her 10 year-old sister and her sister was a witch...
Can I just ask, exactly WHAT is Miley's little sister dressing up as for Halloween? A hooker? A vampire prostitute? The cape is okay, the makeup washes her face out, but the boots and the dress? Not appropriate for a 4th grader. I thought 9-year-olds were supposed to be things like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz or witches or cats or non slutty vampires at the most. I went trick-or-treating with my friend and her 10 year-old sister and her sister was a witch...
*sigh* Isn't it obvious? She's dressed up as Miley Cyrus!
Can I just ask, exactly WHAT is Miley's little sister dressing up as for Halloween? A hooker? A vampire prostitute? The cape is okay, the makeup washes her face out, but the boots and the dress? Not appropriate for a 4th grader. I thought 9-year-olds were supposed to be things like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz or witches or cats or non slutty vampires at the most. I went trick-or-treating with my friend and her 10 year-old sister and her sister was a witch...
*sigh* Isn't it obvious? She's dressed up as Miley Cyrus!
Can I just ask, exactly WHAT is Miley's little sister dressing up as for Halloween? A hooker? A vampire prostitute? The cape is okay, the makeup washes her face out, but the boots and the dress? Not appropriate for a 4th grader. I thought 9-year-olds were supposed to be things like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz or witches or cats or non slutty vampires at the most. I went trick-or-treating with my friend and her 10 year-old sister and her sister was a witch...
*sigh* Isn't it obvious? She's dressed up as Miley Cyrus!
HAHAHAAH!! I see it now!
And this is Miley at Halloween. She's supposed to be Pochahontas.
She loves it when people call her the next Britney Spears. She doesn't seem to understand the way they're saying it and what they mean isn't actually a compliment.
that's what i think..... she is going in the same [wrong] direction like brit used to :/ her sis's halloweenoutfit did shock me i didn't knew that one before :S this sucks coz miley and all the disneychannel ppl are rle model's to kids..... also very young kids
I guess I can give her that its a more unique way to go the slutty route.
Wait, are you saying that by dressing like a *bleep* you're being more unique than people who actually put proper clothes on?
Someone could dress up in a gorilla costume that covers their whole body including their head and still be more unique than Miley Cyrus's Halloween "costume".
I was Pocahontas once for Halloween when I was younger and I really admire Pocahontas so maybe that's why the fact that she took the costume of an iconic person and turned it into somewhat of a joke really offended me. I mean I hate it when people dress up as a bunny and all they have is the furry tail and big ears on lingerie but Pocahontas was an actual person. I mean what would she be thinking if she saw Miley's outfit?! I think she'd be offended
this sucks coz miley and all the disneychannel ppl are rle model's to kids..... also very young kids
That's what I'm trying to say. I personally know many many young girls that are big fans of Miley Cyrus. She might think that they're fans of "Hannah Montana" but I've heard 6-year-old girls talking about her song "Party In The USA". Now I'm kinda afraid that they've seen the music video
Also, you compared Miley's fan base to Hilary Duff's, and I think the bulk of Miley's fans are actually growing up with her. She started work on Hannah Montana when she was twelve, and it was aimed at tweens. Most of the people who started out watching it are in high school now, or late Middle school. So, a lot of them probably, at least here in the US, see outfits like hers on a regular basis. As for dancing like hers, I saw worse when I was in middle school.
The whole idea that Miley's fans are growing up with her is NOT TRUE. Hannah Montana still airs on children's TV and Miley is always gaining young fans. Even if the people who started watching the show when it first aired got older, that doesn't mean that no one younger than them is gonna watch the show.
As for the people who see her seeing outfits like that on a regular basis, yea that is true. But the thing is the people wearing the revealing outfits they see in real life are probably not their role models or their icons. Miley Cyrus is a celebrity with great influential power. Girls see her and they think that if it's alright to wear clothes like that.
Have you seen the recent Rihanna interview where she talks about the whole Chris Brown and beating issue? Well, in that interview Rihanna mentions that she didn't go back and still stay with Chris Brown because then she was saying to all the women out there that it's alright to go back to the man who beat you up and she didn't get severely hurt or killed but she didn't want to be accountable for some girl out their who does because she saw Rihanna go back to Chris Brown and thought that it was okay.
It's a completely different matter but it's basically saying the same thing That if a fan sees her favourite celebrity doing something than what's stopping him/her from doing the same just because they want to be more like their favourite celebrity or just because they admire them and think that whatever they do is correct.
Re: My opinion on "Slutty At Sixteen" « Reply #47 on Nov 9, 2009, 6:44am »
i know i was during summer in a hostfam they have a 4 year old daughter and she likes hannah miley cyrus al ot even though she prefers demi devato. but i think that miley and also all other celebs should be careful. i think that taylor momsen thing is also going in some wrong direction maybe more the lindsay lohan than the britney way but taylor hasn't as much influence on young girls.... and the girls that watch gossip girl aren't as young as the ones that watch hannah montana i think...
I guess I can give her that its a more unique way to go the slutty route.
Wait, are you saying that by dressing like a *bleep* you're being more unique than people who actually put proper clothes on?
Someone could dress up in a gorilla costume that covers their whole body including their head and still be more unique than Miley Cyrus's Halloween "costume".
I was Pocahontas once for Halloween when I was younger and I really admire Pocahontas so maybe that's why the fact that she took the costume of an iconic person and turned it into somewhat of a joke really offended me. I mean I hate it when people dress up as a bunny and all they have is the furry tail and big ears on lingerie but Pocahontas was an actual person. I mean what would she be thinking if she saw Miley's outfit?! I think she'd be offended
I think what she was saying here was not that dressing like a "slut" was more unique, but that the way Miley went about it was different. Typically for Halloween, the slutty female costumes are a pirate, a French maid, or a nurse. She was just commenting that it was different. And, Melissa can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she might have been being a little sarcastic there as well.
Also, you compared Miley's fan base to Hilary Duff's, and I think the bulk of Miley's fans are actually growing up with her. She started work on Hannah Montana when she was twelve, and it was aimed at tweens. Most of the people who started out watching it are in high school now, or late Middle school. So, a lot of them probably, at least here in the US, see outfits like hers on a regular basis. As for dancing like hers, I saw worse when I was in middle school.
The whole idea that Miley's fans are growing up with her is NOT TRUE. Hannah Montana still airs on children's TV and Miley is always gaining young fans. Even if the people who started watching the show when it first aired got older, that doesn't mean that no one younger than them is gonna watch the show.
As for the people who see her seeing outfits like that on a regular basis, yea that is true. But the thing is the people wearing the revealing outfits they see in real life are probably not their role models or their icons. Miley Cyrus is a celebrity with great influential power. Girls see her and they think that if it's alright to wear clothes like that.
Have you seen the recent Rihanna interview where she talks about the whole Chris Brown and beating issue? Well, in that interview Rihanna mentions that she didn't go back and still stay with Chris Brown because then she was saying to all the women out there that it's alright to go back to the man who beat you up and she didn't get severely hurt or killed but she didn't want to be accountable for some girl out their who does because she saw Rihanna go back to Chris Brown and thought that it was okay.
It's a completely different matter but it's basically saying the same thing That if a fan sees her favourite celebrity doing something than what's stopping him/her from doing the same just because they want to be more like their favourite celebrity or just because they admire them and think that whatever they do is correct.
Ugh. I wasn't saying that Miley doesn't have any younger fans or that she isn't continually adding young kids to her fanbase. My point in that one small section was just that people who started out watching the show at 10 or 12 who have stuck with it and still watch it are growing up with her. A surprisingly large number of her fanbase is teenagers. I wasn't saying they were all teens.
And, again, with the clothing, that's a parental issue. I might not agree with what Miley's wearing, but I'm not going to condemn her because her taste in clothing is more revealing than mine. Just because a child sees a celebrity dress a certain way doesn't mean their parents should allow them to dress that way, which was a large part of the point I was trying to make originally. Most young girls, the ages you're talking about aren't going out, buying their own clothes, and wearing them without their parents seeing them in it first. Until I was in high school, my mom pretty much took me shopping, whether I was paying for the clothes or not, and had the final say on whether I was allowed to get them.
In my local paper, there's a woman who does a working mom column, and her column at Halloween was actually about this same thing. Her daughter dressed as Hannah Montana for Halloween, and the first response she would get from other adults she knew when she told them was that they didn't think Miley Cyrus was a good role model for a seven year old. Her response? Her daughter watches Hannah Montana, but she doesn't use the internet unsupervised, she's too young to go to concerts, and because the dancing that kicked off this discussion occured at the Teen Choice Awards, her daughter was not old enough to be allowed to watch that program. Which is my point exactly. She monitors the content that her daughter has access to so that she can insure her daughter doesn't see any of the more racy aspects of Miley's performances.
And the Rihanna thing, no, I'm sorry, but that's on a completely different scale. As someone who grew up in a household where my mom was physically abused in a relationship for five years, I can tell you right now that is so vastly different from Miley's clothing choices. Seeing someone you look up to dressing provacatively or dancing provacatively does not even compare to seeing someone you look up to beaten. Trust me. That, I can tell you from experience.
Either way, both of these things are very personal choices. Saying you left someone because you don't want other people thinking its okay to stay with someone who is abusive is only one aspect of that decision. To leave an abusive relationship, you have to do it for yourself, not for anyone else first. I'm sure her awareness that she is a role model was a huge factor for her, but she's also not 16. Rihanna is an adult. And I don't even want to further compicate this discussion by discussing some of her clothing choices, because, like I said, she's an adult.
Re: My opinion on "Slutty At Sixteen" « Reply #51 on Nov 9, 2009, 4:42pm »
Hey, yeah I was just being sarcastic on the Pocohantas thing. It was just that she didn't go the french maid route. I think most girls actually say its a sexy Tiger Lily though. (Which so fits better because I always thought Tiger Lily was a little *bleep*. Same with those stinking mermaids. Sorry, I have strong opinions on Halloween)
and I don't know if I haven't been clear enough but I want to say that I think Amanda makes a good point in the responsibility of parents in who their kids are influenced by. My biggest problem with Miley is not Miley herself (hopefully my article pointed out a lot of reasons that push a teenager towards some of these choices) but with her parents. That costume of her younger sister's further emphasizes my concern with parents who apparently have no problem with this sort of dress, dancing, or behaviour. And I would say that about any parent. Any adult knows what image is projected and should want to protect their children, not pimp them out.
And I agree with Amanda. Rihanna is a very different situation. She may have recognized that her decisions were influencing others but that was only one aspect of her decision to leave Brown. As a long time victim of abuse, I too can say that there are many reasons to leave. Rihanna & Miley are completely different situations.
Wait, are you saying that by dressing like a *bleep* you're being more unique than people who actually put proper clothes on?
Someone could dress up in a gorilla costume that covers their whole body including their head and still be more unique than Miley Cyrus's Halloween "costume".
I was Pocahontas once for Halloween when I was younger and I really admire Pocahontas so maybe that's why the fact that she took the costume of an iconic person and turned it into somewhat of a joke really offended me. I mean I hate it when people dress up as a bunny and all they have is the furry tail and big ears on lingerie but Pocahontas was an actual person. I mean what would she be thinking if she saw Miley's outfit?! I think she'd be offended
I think what she was saying here was not that dressing like a "slut" was more unique, but that the way Miley went about it was different. Typically for Halloween, the slutty female costumes are a pirate, a French maid, or a nurse. She was just commenting that it was different. And, Melissa can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she might have been being a little sarcastic there as well.
Oh okay. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. But the thing that bothers me is that Pocahontas was a real person, she's not just a "costume" that someone could alter and make sexier. I just don't find it unique, I think it's offensive
Ugh. I wasn't saying that Miley doesn't have any younger fans or that she isn't continually adding young kids to her fanbase. My point in that one small section was just that people who started out watching the show at 10 or 12 who have stuck with it and still watch it are growing up with her. A surprisingly large number of her fanbase is teenagers. I wasn't saying they were all teens.
Actually, a large number of her fanbase is not teenagers. It may seem that way because those are the fans you see online but I go to high school and I also volunteer at the library and help little kids with reading and I've seen that their are more younger girls that are fans of Miley Cyrus as compared to teenagers. I mean, there might be the idea that they're too shy to admit that they're fans of Miley Cyrus but in my school people have Jonas brothers bags or High School Musical pencil kits so I don't think that's the matter.
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And, again, with the clothing, that's a parental issue. I might not agree with what Miley's wearing, but I'm not going to condemn her because her taste in clothing is more revealing than mine. Just because a child sees a celebrity dress a certain way doesn't mean their parents should allow them to dress that way, which was a large part of the point I was trying to make originally. Most young girls, the ages you're talking about aren't going out, buying their own clothes, and wearing them without their parents seeing them in it first. Until I was in high school, my mom pretty much took me shopping, whether I was paying for the clothes or not, and had the final say on whether I was allowed to get them.
That's very true. Parents play a big part in the matter but think of it this way- girl could rip off the bottom of her pants and make them short shorts, roll up her skirt, etc. and change into those clothes at school. I've seen people do that when I was in Grade 5/6. A 11-year-old girl should not be dressing like that.
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In my local paper, there's a woman who does a working mom column, and her column at Halloween was actually about this same thing. Her daughter dressed as Hannah Montana for Halloween, and the first response she would get from other adults she knew when she told them was that they didn't think Miley Cyrus was a good role model for a seven year old. Her response? Her daughter watches Hannah Montana, but she doesn't use the internet unsupervised, she's too young to go to concerts, and because the dancing that kicked off this discussion occured at the Teen Choice Awards, her daughter was not old enough to be allowed to watch that program. Which is my point exactly. She monitors the content that her daughter has access to so that she can insure her daughter doesn't see any of the more racy aspects of Miley's performances.
I agree with what you said and parents should monitor it, but the thing is that some parents think that when a child is as old 8 or 10 then they can go on the internet unsupervised. But IMO, Miley Cyrus's Teen Choice Awards performance is not appropriate for someone 8 years old
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And the Rihanna thing, no, I'm sorry, but that's on a completely different scale. As someone who grew up in a household where my mom was physically abused in a relationship for five years, I can tell you right now that is so vastly different from Miley's clothing choices. Seeing someone you look up to dressing provacatively or dancing provacatively does not even compare to seeing someone you look up to beaten. Trust me. That, I can tell you from experience.
That's why I said it's a completely different matter. I actually grew up in a household that had domestic violence as well. In fact my grandma spent almost 70 years in an abusive relationship. My mom suffered for 15 years until she finally took a stand. It wasn't very physically abusive but it's the same hurt, maybe even more, when you hear your dad yelling at your mom everyday because she didn't iron his clothes properly or added to much salt in the dinner. What I was saying is that one celebrity recognized that her actions affect many women out there but Miley Cyrus is not considering that her actions are affecting many children out there. I understand it's a different matter and I acknowledged that.
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Either way, both of these things are very personal choices. Saying you left someone because you don't want other people thinking its okay to stay with someone who is abusive is only one aspect of that decision. To leave an abusive relationship, you have to do it for yourself, not for anyone else first. I'm sure her awareness that she is a role model was a huge factor for her, but she's also not 16. Rihanna is an adult. And I don't even want to further compicate this discussion by discussing some of her clothing choices, because, like I said, she's an adult.
Rihanna is 21 years old. So yea, technically an adult but if you think about she's only 4 years older than Miley. How much of an adult is she? I mean, I guess legally she's old enough to make her own decisions but IMO she still needs guidance just like Miley does. Also I'm not sure why completely she did what she did but that's what she said in her interview so that's what the viewer is left to assume.
Also, Rihanna's clothing choice would not further complicate this discussion because Rihanna is not part of a Disney Channel show aimed towards young girls and tweens.
Anyways so today I was watching Family (the Canadian equivalent of Disney Channel) and so Wizards Of Waverly Place just ended and in between shows they show commercials and sometimes music videos and stuff and the one they showed was Party In The USA. Now, I think this is a biiiiig error on their part. I mean this is a block when these child-friendly Disney shows come and they stuck this inappropriate music video in the middle of it. I know Miley Cyrus is on Hannah Montana and is a Disney star and whatnot but the TV channels should consider that something like that is not appropriate.
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